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Dream Focus

aka Thomas Prewitt

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2,887 Edits since joining this wiki
July 30, 2014
  • I live in in a land so far away, and yet so much closer than you realize
  • My occupation is professional daydreamer
  • I am not relevant

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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! ZeroOne (talk) 21:19, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Migration proposal Edit

Hello Dream Focus, and welcome to the wiki! I'm sorry to hear someone just copied material from the Alpha Centauri wiki to here, apparently without any attribution.

So, as you've noticed, this wiki is about the entire Civilization series as well as the community and spin-offs. Alpha Centauri definitely counts as being in the Civ series, so we'd love to have more content of that -- currently there's very little. You may not be aware, but this wiki has been formed by merging several different wikis: the Civilization IV Wiki was the first large one to be merged into this Civilization Wiki. Then there was the tiny Civilization V Wiki that only existed for a short period of time. (Of course, our Civ5 content has since grown immensely.) Our latest addition was the Civilization Revolution Wiki.

I'm sure you see where I'm going: we would like to migrate the contents of your Alpha Centauri Wiki into this wiki as well. Mediawiki has good import and export features: all the page histories and all users' edit counts would be preserved. After we had made sure the content was properly merged, we would ask Wikia to turn the original wiki into a redirect here.

How does that sound to you? I talked with another admin, Becer, and he agrees it'd be great to merge the wikis. Also, the Alpha Centauri Wiki seems a little slow on traffic, here you might find more people with an interest to the game. Then, here we'd be able to help with creating templates and stuff (if needed). Finally, I don't know if you were going to cover Beyond Earth in your wiki, but it'll definitely be covered here to the last detail, and it'd be a shame to divide everyone's efforts over multiple wikis.

I'm really looking forward to having our wikis merged, I think it would be a mutually beneficial operation. :) Let me know what you think. Cheers,

ZeroOne (talk) 21:51, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't see any reason why unrelated games should be on the same wikia. The civilization games all had a lot of things in common, but Alpha Centauri was done in a totally new way. The new game is more like it, than it is the Civilization games, such as how the tech tree is done, etc. But I have no plans to cover the new game on my wikia, since I got an email saying it'd be officially covered on this one. Dream Focus 21:58, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
  • Started thinking about it, and changed my mind. Asking people that use my Wikia to vote now on a merger. [1] That would make more sense. Dream Focus 22:42, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
We would definitely love to go through a merger, both our communities have a lot to gain from it. --Becer (talk) 22:49, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
  • You can go ahead and start the merger whenever. If you have a bot that does full history, grabs all the images, and everything, that'd be great. I assume I become an administrator over here once merged. Is that what you did with the other wikias merged in the past? Dream Focus 02:33, August 3, 2014 (UTC)
Wonderful. Now I'm currently on mobile and ZeroOne is the one with migration experience but you need not start renaming every article of your wiki. What is likely to happen is that articles will be imported and have a suffix attached to them, it could for instance be (AC), or (SAC). What do you think would be most appropriate? Anyway once that's done the links will obviously be broken so we can have bots go through the articles and fix them. The procedure will certainly involve contacting wikia, if only to have the old wiki redirect here when all is done. --Becer (talk) 04:50, August 3, 2014 (UTC)

import and admin status Edit

Hello! The page you mentioned has already been imported with full history and is located at Technology (SMAC) for the time being. This being said your help would definitely be appreciated. I wanted to wait to confirm with ZeroOne before raising your rights (Which I just did) but it seems like he might not be here any time soon and I'm assuming it's a given this should be done. Should you want to we can bring up discussion points about the merger here. --Becer (talk) 00:27, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Oh and you'll definitely want to read up on our editing/naming/categorizing philosophies that are laid out in this article. --Becer (talk) 00:38, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Deleted subpages Edit

Hello, it seems that some of the sub-pages I had pointed out on your wiki and that you subsequently deleted were actually being linked to and/or contained information found only within them in your wiki. For instance this Units page is the only page that seems to describe the concept of a unit on your wiki. Could you please un-delete those sub-pages that we may take whatever is useful to them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Becer (talkcontribs)

Alright. http://sidmeiersalphacentauri.wikia.com/wiki/Sid_Meier%27s_Alpha_Centauri/Units I got the manual out and I don't see that information in it though. Not sure how accurate it is for the Unit Cost information. Dream Focus 01:58, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Since you point out they're from the Strategy wiki, I'll just get the other stuff from there. --Becer (talk) 02:05, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Some of that stuff over there was originally imported from Wikipedia before they changed things years back and erased all the detailed game information from there. Some was copied over from Walkthroughs. And some was done by actual people themselves over there. Dream Focus 02:11, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

The technology tree Edit

About Technology tree (SMAC), this enormous list pretty much duplicates all the content found within the technology articles. It doesn't really make sense to have and maintain both, so how about making it into a list instead? Also do you have Steam/Skype or something similar? It'll be better than chatting by talk pages. My Steam is on my profile. --Becer (talk) 02:39, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Its easier to sort through in one list like that, then the many individual articles. Keep track of what is used to build what, and what order the builds are in for each type of technology. Dream Focus 02:48, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  • A list like List of advances in Civ1 would be nice, if anyone wanted to take the time to make it. If a bot could be made to read in the information, there not that many variables to keep track of, and putting it in a proper list like that, it'd be a great improvement. Dream Focus 01:32, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Archived SMAC article Edit

http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Sid_Meier%27s_Alpha_Centauri/archived?diff=75169&oldid=71225 - fine to remove those categories, but it was NOT "just a Wikipedia article". Its history shows a lot of work by users of this wiki since the 2008 copying from Wikipedia. Definitely worth preserving. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:05, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

  • [2] Nope. Look closely and you'll see they just took information in paragraph form, and then made it spaced out differently. The only real difference is they added quotes from each faction. Dream Focus 16:23, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

system requirements for Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond EarthEdit

I tried posting on Steam, but they said since I never bought anything, I can not create new topics. Not sure where to ask this:

The minimum requirements are for the game are: Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 GHz or AMD Athlon X2 64 2.0 GHz Graphics: 256 MB ATI HD3650 or better, 256 MB nVidia 8800 GT or better, or Intel HD 3000 or better integrated graphics

I have a 4GB Single Channel DDR3 1600MHz (4GBx1) for a processor. Will that work? My Dell order form says Intel HD Graphics, but doesn't tell me if its 3000 or better. Not does accessing their thing from my desktop tell me exactly what it is. How do I find out?

As soon as I'm sure I can run the game, I'm going to order it. Just need to make certain. Dream Focus 07:28, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

You are confusing your memory and your processor.If you were to post the exact model number of the computer we (or you) could look on the seller's website for specs of the machine. --Becer (talk) 07:34, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
Oh and of course if you played Civ5, then Beyond Earth should run fine. --Becer (talk) 07:35, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
I never played Civ5. Alpha Centauri was the only game for me. 4th Generation Intel(R) Pentium(R)-G3220 (3M Cache, 3.0 GHz) is what it says. When my old computer died after 6 and a half years, I got a new cheap one back in March for under 400 dollars. Inspiron 3647. Dream Focus 07:37, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
The processor's official website listing at [3] says it has two cores in it. Of course if its 3M total speed, and the one suggested as the minimum requirements [4] has a lower speed of 1.8 MB it should do fine I guess. I'll just have to wait until the game has a demo to try out before I buy it. Dream Focus 08:21, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
[Civilization V on steam http://store.steampowered.com/app/8930/] has a button on the right to download the PC demo. If you can run that demo then you can run Beyond Earth. --Becer (talk) 21:54, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Re:error found Edit

That's actually the ArticleVersionSelector5 template and it clicking one of the three tabs shows and hides texts and elements across the page. It's one of my earlier attempts at tackling the problem of preserving information about all 3 major versions of Civilization 5, without losing the old information. It is a mess and we'll do away with it soon.

Now why does it appear off-screen? That I don't know as it used to look fine. Wikia might have played around with the size of elements on their page. --Becer (talk) 11:40, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Your test blog Edit

Hi Dream Focus! Your test worked and MarkvA explained why your post didn't appear immediately on the front page: it takes a while to appear because of caching. I have now removed that post, as we don't want test messages on our official main page, do we? Here's your post and his reply, for archival purposes. —ZeroOne (talk) 16:05, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Why would my blog post appear on the main page? I just now looked and I see that "Community Posts" section. Does that mean anyone who post a blog gets there, or just administrators? I'll not make blog post again if its going to be tossed out there. Is there any way to set it to whose post get there and whose don't? My post was about it not appearing in my BLOG page, not on the main page which I had no idea it did until you posted here to tell me. Dream Focus 21:26, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

testing. My last blog post is at User_blog:Dream_Focus/various_games, but its not listed in the blog section. Dream Focus 03:11, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Dream Focus - the blog listing is actually cached which means that blogs don't immediately show up. If you purge the main page by appending ?action=purge to the URL in the URL bar it should pop up.
If need be the blog listing can be limited to only showing blogs in a certain category (i.e. News).
12 hours ago by MarkvA @wikia

Editing tip Edit

You can construct your links like so :
[[Drone (SMAC)|]]
and everything starting from the first parenthesis is stripped off the visual representation. Super useful! --Becer (talk) 06:32, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
I saw Civil disorder and was trying to make a link to Drones for Alpha Centauri. See the problem Civilization V has? Perhaps change the template so it can list games that have it by another name, without any red link. Dream Focus 06:44, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
I'll try to remember to set up that option. In the mean time a redirect is the accepted workaround. --Becer (talk) 07:10, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

RE:What articles are allowed? Edit

User:Eric4e is a special case. This edit summary is probably the first words he said to anyone after joining this wiki. This being said having articles about a scenario is just fine, as long as they're properly named and it's clear they're not part of the same game. For instance we should not add Mind control center to the Buildings (Civ4) category as it's not part of the base game. It belongs in (Next War) or something. Maybe (Civ4 Next War).

One place where he was right is in correcting this edit though. Category:Technologies (CivWorld) implies Category:CivWorld, making the latter redundant. --Becer (talk) 17:57, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I saw what was done on Civ5 articles such as List_of_technologies_(Civ5) which has Category:Civilization V and Category:Technologies (Civ5), a lot of articles like that, so assumed the name of the game was always mentioned also. Dream Focus 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Several hundred of those "leapfrogging" category links were added by a recent contributor (or two?) keen to get achievement points. I see some value in some leapfrogging, so that interested people can see a total list of cities or units or buildings or leaders etc that appear in any version or extension of a game, and can sometimes identify omissions by comparison with other versions etc. I think I said something along those lines a few years ago on a relevant forum, but some contributors did seem to overdo it, particularly when they added category links that do not conform with our current naming standards. Provided that we cut out non-conforming names, I see no harm in leaving leapfrog category links; but if you more active editors feel that they are obstructive or otherwise deleterious I'll let them go. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:51, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
I never understood why they have achievement points, I always turning them off on the 14 wikias I started. I erased or redirected all the most obvious problem categories at deletion. There 31 earlier today when I contacted you, and now only 15 categories remaining at deletion, plus one article. No sense having something listed for deletion for years though. Either eliminate it, post a redirect notice, or remove the deletion notice. For the ones that existed for expansion packs, that is a problem. There are some new units and civilizations and leaders in these expansion packs, that might get their own articles one day, and a category thus justified. I tried adding a category to Mind control center, for the expansion pack it was part of, but it got reverted. Dream Focus 05:03, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Category redirects Edit

In the old days a category page could not be moved/renamed and its editing with a normal #REDIRECT had no real effect. {{Category redirect}} was then developed, to tell viewers that the category they were looking at should not be used and that any page trying to be in it should be edited to show the correct target category (because there was no way of automatically switching those pages to the correct target except semi-automatically with a bot).

Having just suggested that {{Category redirect}} should be used on a particular category and others like it, I was a little surprised to see you adding a #REDIRECT. Has there been a change in software that I'm not aware of?

-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:59, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Those categories were empty, so it made sense to me at the time. Thinking it over though, if someone adds something to one by mistake, its best to have the other message there, so they know to move that item over to the proper location. I'll go fix that. Note after I read your suggestion, I did stop doing that. [5] [6] Dream Focus 05:05, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

List of _ Edit

Hey great job on your edits today! Just as a quick note, we'll probably end up wanting both Units (CivBE) and List of units in CivBE since the first page will describe the mechanics of the units in the game while the other one simply lists them. --Becer (talk) 19:06, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand. Naval units go over water, land units go over land. Can they be customized like in Alpha Centauri's Design workshop (SMAC)? Dream Focus 19:40, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
There isn't exactly a design workshop, but every few affinity levels (I believe) you get to unlock promotions for your units, customizing them along a path of your choice (The promotions are chosen for each kind of unit you can produce). --Becer (talk) 20:08, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
http://well-of-souls.com/civ/civbe_overview.html This guy has already gotten all the information, nicely laid out too. I emailed him and got permission to copy over his tech web image and information he had from it. Dream Focus 20:15, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

Making a page update Edit

Hello, please note that when you want to refresh a page a simple blank edit (no changes) will work.

Additionally I recently added a refresh button to the edit dropdown which does it for you. --Becer (talk) 11:27, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

I notice I said in the edit summary for something recently "phantom error to make the page update" instead of phantom edit. Anyway, thanks for the refresh button. I have posted two errors I found yesterday on your talk page, but one of them is working fine now. Dream Focus 13:38, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Pages without a suffix and detective work tips Edit

Hey I see you've been categorizing a lot of pages. When you come upon a page that has no suffix please attempt to find out which game it belongs to and rename the page accordingly. Then use Special:Whatlinkshere to find out what used to link to that page and fix the links on these pages! :)

When you don't know what game an article belongs to, use Special:Whatlinkshere to try and figure it out. That's how you can figure out that Missile is a leftover from the Civ4 and references a guided missile. Ideally you want to make use of Template:Overview on pages without suffixes, and since in this case the proper name is Guided missile redirecting to Guided missile is the right move! --Becer (talk) 12:42, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

The article mentioned Cruise Missiles, and that a different article entirely than Guided missile. What links there would show all sorts of different missiles though, not just guided missiles. Special:WhatLinksHere/Missile. Searching for "Missile" list all sorts of types. Someone searching for the word "missile" could be looking for any number of the different types of missiles. Perhaps just use that page to list and link to all of them. Dream Focus 13:40, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
  • I finished going through [7], which list all articles that don't have a category. I didn't know what to do with some of them, but most I did organize. With so many games, its important to sort through which is which. Dream Focus 17:25, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Trade routes. Edit

Hello, "civbetable" is a CSS class defined in the site wide style sheets. As for GetSponsorRow it's a lua function found on Module:Data/CivBE. The data itself is over at Module:Data/CivBE/CivFeatures.

For both CSS and the Lua module, please be very careful while modifying them, and preferably don't unless you know what you're doing. You can ask me any question you want about them. Start with Help:CSS and Help:Lua. --Becer (talk) 05:10, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

RE:virtues typo Edit

Thanks for the heads up, I fixed it. The data is located here : Module:Data/CivBE/Virtues. See Help:Lua to learn more about modules. --Becer (talk) 18:50, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Renaming Edit

Try Bulk Rename Utility. --Becer (talk) 18:32, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

Link to what was a basepage Edit

Your renaming - http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/C-evo_advances_affecting_air_units?diff=prev&oldid=85357 - destroyed the link to the basepage. Please reinsert a link near the top of the page. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:14, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Having things behind a / is ridiculous. And you could've fixed a simple link yourself, no need to ask me to do it. Dream Focus 15:44, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
I added a proper see also section. Dream Focus 15:54, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Lua troublesEdit

hi Dream

im having trouble with the lua code in the sponsor section, it shows a script error, but it looks correct when published.

Utyske666 (talk) 15:22, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any errors. Something new sometimes takes time to load up. Make certain your browser refreshes. Dream Focus 17:54, October 20, 2014 (UTC)
If you get impatient just add ?action=purge after its address, and that'll reset it. Dream Focus 20:33, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Blog page candidate Edit

Hey Dream Focus. Think you could remake this page as a blog rather than a page?

Other people can currently come through and edit it, but with the way you have it worded, I believe you intend to be the sole source of info for the page. Think you could remove it and blog it? Linkmastr001 (talk) 19:19, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

No. Someone else already made their strategy guide for that game on a different article. Others have done the same for other games. You can't have anyone editing a strategy guide, because everyone disagrees on the best way to do things. So its best for people to just make their own in different articles. No one reads blogs, so best to have it as an article. Dream Focus 20:17, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
Is there something other then a blog you could move it to? The main issue is where you have it, others can edit it, which it sounds like you don't want. Linkmastr001 (talk) 20:41, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
Never had a problem before. I went ahead and made it so only administrators could edit it. So whatever. Dream Focus 23:45, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
Well, I'd rather see the guide as a blog page too. I believe I expressed my opinion on some other talk page or forum thread before as well: the concept of a person claiming ownership of a regular article just doesn't fit into the concept of a wiki. So far your only argument against making the guide a blog post is that "No one reads blogs", which I find to be a false statement. We've got plenty of blog posts here and many of them even receive comments. As you know, all blog posts are currently featured on the main page, so on the contrary, making the article into a blog post would get you way more readers than having it as a regular article. You can still link to blog posts as well from the List of strategy guides for Civilization: Beyond Earth page. —ZeroOne (talk) 00:44, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
My reasoning was mentioned at Talk:List_of_strategy_guides_for_Civilization:_Beyond_Earth and elsewhere. Anyway, what difference does it make if its listed as a blog or an article? Do blogs have limits to how long they can be? Dream Focus 01:01, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
Since one other person has a page that is affected by this, I asked him on his talk page User_talk:Utyske666#Discussion_to_change_strategy_guide_pages_like_yours_and_mine_into_blogs to join this discussion. Dream Focus 01:05, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
It looks like we need an official policy for the wiki, and those are not decided on random talk pages. I invite everyone to continue the discussion at the forum: Ownership of articles: wiki policy? Cheers, —ZeroOne (talk) 20:55, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

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